Bodo Ramelow on the corona summit: “We’re not in show business”

Thuringia’s Prime Minister considers bans on accommodation for sham solutions. People need to understand that their health is at stake.

Thuringia’s Prime Minister Bodo Ramelow from the Left Foto: Martin Schutt/dpa/picture alliance

taz: Mr. Ramelow, after the summit is before the summit. The prime minister couldn again fail to agree on uniform measures at the meeting in the Federal Chancellery. Why is it so difficult now after it was so fast in the spring?

Bodo Ramelow: I explicitly disagree. There is a uniform package. The alarm value of 35 new infections per 100,000 inhabitants applies nationwide. The alarm value of 50 new infections is also included. All measures that are important for the toolbox of the local health authorities are in the resolution. That is a significant step forward.

But the ban on accommodation for people from risk areas is still controversial.

We discussed the ban on accommodation for a long time and looked for a better way. The irritation between the countries is still great. Baden-Württemberg, for example, interpreted the ban in such a way that business travelers were also not allowed to stay overnight in Baden-Württemberg. As a result, trains from Berlin to Stuttgart could no longer be manned with Berlin train drivers because they were not allowed to stay overnight in Stuttgart. So completely crazy situations. We need to focus on fighting infection again. And that’s why we at the MPK have resolved to deal with the question of how we deal with tourist travel and mobility next week in order to come up with a better proposal.

What are the prospects for an agreement?

The majority was no longer given on Wednesday evening for the ban on accommodation. But there are countries that are still in favor, so it is pragmatic to wait until the end of the autumn break. And until then, Manuela Schwesig insisted, we need an expansion of the instrument box for the health authorities. We have to assess hotspots according to whether there is a diffuse outbreak or whether it can be contained on site. If it is a diffuse outbreak, there may even be requirements not to leave the district.

In your opinion, what speaks against a ban on accommodation for tourist trips?

Nothing has changed in my position. I don’t want to decide in Thuringia what is going on in Berlin, Stuttgart or Freiburg, but the health authorities there have to decide. But it doesn’t depend on my opinion, but on whether we can find a common position that I can ultimately support.

The 64-year-old politician of the Left Party has been Prime Minister of Thuringia for six years with a brief interruption.

The aim is to keep people from risk areas from traveling. At the moment there are only appeals, but they are often not heard.

We have developed hygiene concepts in all hotels in Thuringia. Sometimes the temperature is measured at check-in or you have to prove that you have not been in contact with people who tested positive. Our hoteliers work hard here. And that means that you can accommodate. We don’t want to fight hotels, we want to fight the virus.

So do economic considerations speak against it?

No. It’s about the virus. And if there are no viruses, why should I maintain a measure that has no effect? We’re not in show business. The ban on accommodation is not a solution, but a sham solution that I am talked about too much. It is not a question of whether Prime Minister A or B won. No, we have to win the fight against the virus.

The Accommodation verbot is to be checked for effectiveness by November 8th. Which criteria do you apply?

What are the best ways to prevent virus spread. But I think two other points are more decisive, namely the new test strategy and the model quarantine regulation. These help us focus containment on the scene.

According to the testing strategy, anyone with symptoms can deal and their contacts as Let people test free of charge in facilities where Corona occurs. The model quarantine ordinance states that foreign travelers from risk areas must be in quarantine for 10 days after entering the country.

It is important that the test strategy is enforced nationwide. And the model quarantine regulation is about the millions of people who visit and leave Germany every day.

A family of three is waiting with their luggage at the Harlesiel ferry port for the Wangerooge ferry to depart

Is that still possible? Travelers on the way to Wangerooge Photo: Mohssen Assanimoghaddam / dpa

Die should implement the federal states. But shouldn’t there really be border controls upon entry?

Not necessarily. The health authorities need to know who got off which aircraft. There must be an obligation for travelers who come by car to report.

Anyone arriving by car is initially not recorded.

Right. Unless we would do a sample. But there must be an obligation for everyone to report.

And whoever violates it, has to pay a fine?

The violations are less of an issue for me than the question of whether they bring Corona. I spent a day with the Swedish ambassador on Tuesday and had them explain to me how it works in Sweden. There is an amazing difference. In Sweden, what the Public Health Authority recommends is understood as an instruction. With us you think about whether you should keep it or not, and otherwise always scream for punishment. People need to understand that this is about their health and the health of their neighbors. So I want people to get in touch on their own initiative. I want a culture that allows people to do that, and it has to be low-threshold enough to make it work.

Uniform conditions now apply in Hotspots: stricter mask requirements and restrictions on private parties. But there is no uniform catalog of fines. Why not?

I don’t know why it should exist. An average of 50 euros applies to violations.

In Thuringia you have to pay 60 euros, in Berlin 50 to 500 euros, in Bavaria 150 euros.

So what, does that change anything about the virus?

Perhaps it increases the acceptance of conditions

It is crucial that these are controlled. There is no point in imposing a fine of 500 euros if there is no control. Everything else is symbolic politics. Yesterday we agreed to step up controls, also with the support of the Federal Police. Horst Seehofer has expressly announced this. And we want to strengthen the health authorities in Thuringia and possibly relocate employees from other offices.

You also want to employ medical students.

Of course, why not? They should help with follow-up, record contact persons and send them to the test. Tracking is the key to fighting the pandemic. If we overload the health authorities, the pandemic will break out again in an uncontrolled manner.

What do you think of a reinforcement by the Bundeswehr in the follow-up of contacts?

Very well. Do we. We couldn’t maintain some things in Thuringia if we hadn’t had the Bundeswehr. There was no medical officer present in Sonneberg because the person had been sick for a long time. A medical officer of the Bundeswehr helped out, so I can only thank the Bundeswehr warmly.

Do you understand when politicians refuse such reinforcements on fundamental grounds?

No. The most beautiful peace work I can imagine is a Bundeswehr soldier who helps counter epidemics.

France declared a health emergency again on Wednesday. In the end there could be a new lockdown. How far are we in Germany from such a scenario?

I’m looking at this from a state where we have very small numbers. But eight weeks ago we only had 47 actively infected people, now we have almost 500 actively infected people, almost a tenfold increase. I find that worrying. The aim is to reduce the number of new infections immediately and to avoid overloading the health authorities.

Do you know where the tenfold comes from?

These are diffuse causes. We know every single infected person. The great concern that the spread is taking place in schools or by children has not come true. On the other hand, return travelers and family celebrations play a bigger role. Family celebrations are currently the biggest hotspot with us.


All the fault of the nightlife, but it is a dispute over the curfew. Here’s what Conte is preparing for the Italians – Il Tempo

The country “is stronger than in March or April”, but – once more than 10 thousand daily infections have been exceeded – a new Dpcm and new measures are “necessary” to avoid reaching the levels of other European countries. Roberto Speranza connects with the Regions early in the morning, together with Francesco Boccia. The government, the ministers assure the governors, intends to share the path with local authorities to avoid creating a “dystonia” of measures that could confuse citizens.

The basic idea, explains the owner of Health, is to arrive at a stiffening of the measures starting from “a basic distinction between essential and non-essential activities”. We now intervene with more force on non-essential things to limit infections and avoid having to affect tomorrow on the essential that for the government is represented by work and school, is the reasoning. “It is time to act,” says Speranza, who in any case reassures the government’s willingness to take charge of the refreshment if it decides to ask some sector to lower the shutters or otherwise limit its activities. Also ahead on smart working, which can also reach 70-75%.

In the sights of Giuseppe Conte and the ministers there is once again the so-called movida. The possibility of implementing a sort of “light” curfew with the closure of restaurants and clubs at 10 pm, however, does not convince the Regions. The Governors press to leave the possibility of staying open until 24, anticipating the impossibility of serving those who are not seated at the table at 18 (it is set at 21 in the current Dpcm), in order to avoid gatherings. The decision to close hairdressers and beauty centers, against which Italy alive was thrown, seems averted.

On the table, however, the possibility of intervening on gyms and swimming pools. On the world of sport, it is explained, a clash is taking place between a harder line (carried out mainly by Speranza and Franceschini) and a more “proportionate” one, on which Giuseppe Conte (together with Spadafora) would be more oriented. As far as contact activities are concerned, one hypothesis on the table would be to allow only amateur and professional championships, thus prohibiting those of the youth or organized by promotional bodies.

The dossier concerning the school, which is closely linked to that concerning local public transport, is still to be defined. The Governors insist on achieving a differentiation of entry and exit times and introducing a mixed teaching method, which may include distance lessons for pupils of the last years. The Regions, led by Stefano Bonaccini, have asked for a new meeting for tomorrow, which, besides Boccia and Speranza, will also be attended by Azzolina and De Micheli, to address the issue with the interested parties.

The majority returns to meet in the evening to untie the political knots. What divides is precisely the distinction between essential and non-essential activities, on which the government intends to focus. “The school and the production sector alone cannot be essential”, thundered the Renzians who insist on safeguarding the sacrifices made (also from an economic point of view) by restaurateurs, small businesses, owners of sports activities to adapt to the protocols. Palazzo Chigi preaches caution: the confrontation is underway and the only truthful restriction measures will be those contained in the Dpcm, which will not arrive before tomorrow. The advances, it is emphasized, “are to be considered leaks forward and hypotheses not corresponding to the truth”. Giuseppe Conte will speak tomorrow.


Politicians partly open to cordoning off corona hotspots

The federal government considers it possible to block areas. “The Federal Chancellor and the Prime Ministers noted months ago that there could also be restrictions on mobility in and out of the particularly affected areas as the most extensive measure,” said Chancellor Helge Braun (CDU) of the “Rheinische Post”.

Vice-government spokeswoman Martina Fietz had previously described restrictions on entry and exit “from a purely epidemiological point of view” as a way of preventing the virus from spreading. The aim is to “maintain as much as possible of public and private life”. A spokesman for the Federal Ministry of the Interior was reluctant to comment on the RKI initiative. There are “no concrete scenarios” for a deployment of the Federal Police in the event of lockdowns.

The issue is assessed differently in the parliamentary groups in the Bundestag. “I do not think it is out of the question that interventions in the freedom of movement and freedom of movement may be necessary again if the health system is overloaded,” said the legal policy spokesman for the SPD parliamentary group, Johannes Fechner, to the Handelsblatt.

The prerequisites for when the government may order this would have to be specified by parliament. “We are dealing here with massive encroachments on fundamental rights,” emphasized Fechner. A strict proportionality standard must be applied. “Above all, this means that no milder means may be available.”

Contradiction comes from within the Union. “From my point of view, the cordoning off of entire cities or regions is unconstitutional and also makes no sense,” said the CDU domestic politician Patrick Sensburg, the Handelsblatt. “It is expedient to comply with and control the existing quarantine rules.” New measures are not needed if only the current ones are implemented consistently. “Here, however, all federal states and municipalities must also fulfill the tasks that they have.”

The CDU health politician Tino Sorge, however, did not rule out the closure of certain regions as a “last resort”. “We should only discuss blocking hotspots as a last resort if human life cannot be protected in any other way,” Sorge told the Handelsblatt. However, he also emphasized: “Alarmism and overbidding competition for potentially conceivable measures do not help to improve the situation.” Most people already limited their travels today.

Wieler had justified his advance with the aggravated corona situation. Nine months ago, he could not have thought of locking off corona hotspots. “I can now imagine that such measures would be carried out,” said Wieler on Thursday the television station Phoenix. “If the measures are not tightened, the number of infections will continue to rise,” warned the RKI boss and named a number of up to 10,000 new infections daily. “Mobility is one of the drivers of this pandemic,” said Wieler.

CSU: RKI boss should substantiate the proposal

As if to confirm, Wieler’s authorities reported a new high on Friday with 7334 new infections within one day. It was only on Thursday that the authority recorded an all-time high since the outbreak of the pandemic with 6638 cases.

The FDP member of the Bundestag Konstantin Kuhle spoke of the “half-baked” proposals of the RKI boss that made many citizens “afraid”. “The drivers of the pandemic currently seem to be meetings in the private sector,” he told the Handelsblatt. It makes sense to cap and limit these. “A blanket restriction on mobility makes no sense at the moment, especially if it is announced in an interview without specific standards and criteria.”

The CSU internal politician Volker Ulrich also sees the RKI President Wieler’s duty to explain in such a proposal what he means by “locking off” risk areas and which authorities should implement such a measure with what means. From his point of view, closure is “neither an appropriate and certainly not a proportionate measure”.

The Greens were skeptical. “It is good and right to discuss all scenarios at an early stage, to weigh them carefully and on the basis of facts in order to then be able to make necessary and proportionate decisions,” said parliamentary group vice-president Konstantin von Notz. In order to achieve the necessary acceptance, however, Parliament and the public would have to be involved “as best as possible”.

“Mobility remains a key factor,” added von Notz. Therefore, everyone should think carefully about “which personal travel activities we can do without in favor of our solidary community in view of the current situation” – also in order to be able to jointly avert “extremely far-reaching” restrictions on freedom and encroachments on fundamental rights.

Bavaria lifts the ban on accommodation, Hesse is planning the same

In view of the escalating situation, Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and the Prime Minister decided on new restrictions at a crisis meeting in Berlin on Wednesday evening in order to get the infection numbers under control again. However, the measures have already been legally attacked – with success in some federal states.

In Baden-Württemberg and Lower Saxony, administrative judges declared the controversial ban on accommodation to be illegal on Thursday. Other countries lifted a corresponding regulation of their own accord. In Bavaria, the ban expires this Friday. In Hesse, the planned abolition of the ban on accommodation is on the agenda for the meeting of the Corona cabinet on Monday. In Berlin, where the ban does not exist, the administrative court overturned the curfew for bars, pubs and restaurants from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m.

According to the Speyer constitutional lawyer Joachim Wieland, blocking off risk areas would not be constitutionally ruled out. It is indeed a “very drastic encroachment on freedom”, but it would be “constitutional as a last resort if there is a really great danger to life and health”.

The measure is also not out of thin air. It is already practiced in Spain. In view of the high corona numbers, the country’s government recently imposed a state of emergency on Madrid. In this way, the closure of the capital should be enforced against the will of the regional government.

Controls on the highway

In Spain, the Corona hotspot Madrid has already been cordoned off.

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Gabriel Felbermayr, head of the Kiel Institute for the World Economy (IfW), named Asia and, above all, China, where the sealing off of hotspots has proven itself in order to curb the spread of the virus quickly. “But it is a much more draconian measure than a ban on accommodation, and enforcement, as the example of Asia shows, requires greater use of resources, and potentially even police operations,” Felbermayr told Handelsblatt.

“Not an easy task for political decision-makers”

From an economic point of view, however, “targeted closures” are probably better than general travel restrictions because they concentrate the adjustment costs on the geographical areas in which the infection rate is strongest. “This would create the right incentives to do everything locally to reduce the incidence,” he said.

But you have to think very carefully about the definition of hotspots: “It would probably have to be municipalities, not districts, and whether the critical incidence rate should be 50 cases per week and 100,000 inhabitants is also unclear,” he said.

Ifo President Clemens Fuest, in turn, believes that the economic impact would depend on what exactly “lockdown” means. “When it comes to restricting non-professional travel for a limited time, the economic consequences are likely to be manageable, but a complete closure for passenger traffic would have high economic costs,” he said.

In addition, politicians must consider the general consequences for consumer and producer confidence: “The lockdown would be a signal that the crisis is worsening significantly. In my opinion, this should only be done if the yield in terms of containing the epidemic is sufficiently high, ”he emphasized. This weighing is difficult and must be made on the basis of very incomplete information. This is “not an easy task for the political decision-makers”.

DIW President Marcel Fratzscher already fears that this consideration can only go wrong. “The success of corona measures depends first and foremost on their acceptance by people,” he told Handelsblatt.

Blocking off hotspots could not only be ineffective, but in the worst case even counterproductive if many citizens did not accept this and therefore opposed the entire strategy and other political measures. “Examples such as Spain and France show that tougher restrictions do not have to lead to a better limitation of the wave of infections in the long term.” Fratzscher therefore considers the sealing off of hotspots to be a “dangerous experiment”.

The Association of Towns and Municipalities considers it unrealistic to systematically cordon off entire hotspot regions in order to restrict mobility. General manager Gerd Landsberg spoke of “theoretical” considerations by the RKI boss that “generate additional fear”.

“What we need now is not fear, but prudence and discipline of all citizens,” said Landsberg. “It would therefore be important to have a communication campaign, not just in the hotspots, in order to repeatedly point out the need to comply with the rules via social media.” Landsberg emphasized that the key to fighting a pandemic lies in convincing people.

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close to nightlife, bars, pubs and restaurants closed at 24

Covid, the Lombardy prepares for a new squeeze due to the increase in contagion, with an order of Lombardy region which will come into force from tomorrow. No lockdown and curfew but there will be more restrictions for bar e restaurants, with the closing at 24, more checks and a partial return of the online teaching for high school, in order to avoid crowds on public transport.

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Fontana: “There is a risk that the epidemic will degenerate”

“The new measures will not be dramatic – explained the Lombard governor, Attilio Fontana, at the end of the summit with the Lombard mayors, with the prefect of Milano, Renato Saccone, and with the group leaders of the parties in the Regional Council, in which they discussed the proposals to be brought to the Technical Scientific Committee -. The Lombards may be less worried but they must be attentive to the measures otherwise there is a risk that the epidemic will degenerate. I am less worried than in March ».

Reduce the nightlife

The provisions of the ordinance will be homogeneous throughout Lombardy, there will be no more restrictions in Milan or in the most affected areas because, as Fontana pointed out, “the virus is unfortunately spread throughout the region”. One of the goals is to reduce the nightlife: there will therefore be a ban on consuming drinks on public land after a certain time. For all pub, bar e restaurants closing will be anticipated to 24. In these activities after 6 pm the consumption of food and drinks is allowed only at the tables. The ordinance will come into force from tomorrow.

«Let’s not talk about curfews please – stated the prefect of Milan, Renato Saccone – because our life does not depend only on the opening of a bar or a restaurant. The controls will be even more incisive and massive with the new ordinance ».

Fontana then said that «we will ask the government to foresee in a decisive and significant way compensatory resources for those economic activities that will inevitably suffer repercussions from the results of this decision, shared by all the participants at the table “.

School and transport

Second grade secondary schools and second grade secondary vocational training institutions organize teaching activities with distance modalities alternating with face-to-face activities, with the exception of laboratory activities. This is what the new ordinance of the Lombardy Region provides for the signature of President Attilio Fontana. Universities, while respecting their specific autonomy, are recommended to organize their activities in order to promote distance learning as much as possible.

Stop to amateur sports competitions

The provision also provides for the stop to amateur sports competitions that involve ‘physical contact’ and the closure of gaming, betting and bingo halls. The ordinance is valid throughout the region from tomorrow until November 6.

Covid Italia, bulletin of today 16 October: 10,010 new infections and 55 deaths. Over 150 thousand tampons

Covid Italia, the bulletin of today 16 October 2020. There are 10,010 new coronavirus infections in Italy. The dead are 55 in the last 24 hours. Swabs exceed 150 thousand (150,377). The Region with the highest number of cases is Lombardy with 2,419, followed by Campania with 1,261 and Piedmont with 821.


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“Gyms, clubs and shops closed in Regions with a contagion index over 1”

Targeted closures, in Regions with a contagion index higher than 1, for gyms, circles e shops “non-essential”. Restrictive measures that aim to contain the Rt curve while safeguarding the school and production activities. The directions come from Walter Ricciardi, advisor to the minister of health for emergency Covid and full professor of General and Applied Hygiene at the Faculty of Medicine of the Cattolica in Rome.

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«Given the very serious situation of circulation of the virus, we have indicated targeted closures in regions with very high circulation of Sars-Cov2 aimed at allowing school and production activities to be carried out. The closures, in the areas where the contagion index is higher than 1, must concern aggregation points such as clubs, gyms, and non-essential commercial establishments. While lo smart working it should become the ordinary form of work across the country. The crucial point is safety in public transport and their strengthening ».

“Tracking is not working”

“The local health authorities are no longer able to trace the infections, so the virus containment strategy is not working – explained Ricciardi to Ansa – This is due to two phenomena taking place in many regions: the lack of or delayed strengthening of the prevention departments (low number of hygienic doctors available) and the thousands of outbreaks in progress. The situation is very serious, the regions are moving towards the loss of contagion control ». “The contact tracing it is not working manually, with interviews with virus positives on their contacts, nor technologically with the Immuni app ».

Covid Italia, curfew hypothesis from 22. Cts: already tightened over the weekend, exceeding Dpcm

For now it is only a hypothesis. A bundle of schemes and possibilities that, among dozens of others, is now making its way onto the government table: the establishment of a curfew is no longer entirely unlikely.

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What does the alcohol ban bring? The RKI doesn’t know exactly

In order to reduce the number of new corona infections, curfew and alcohol sales bans are to be introduced in hotspots. That hits the catering and beverage industry hard. However, there is no proof that alcohol is an engine of the pandemic. .

Coronavirus and ban on accommodation: The virus becomes a test of patience

The prohibition of accommodation can be read as a kind of substitute act. It is the lesser evil compared to a complete lockdown again.

If you wait a long time, it’s your turn: Corona smear center in the Esslingen district Photo: Sebastian Gollnow / dpa

What one hears from doctors’ surgeries sounds a bit unworthy: patients who cough artificially when they enter the consulting room in order to get paid for the corona test by the health insurance company as people with alleged “symptoms”, which one needs for vacation. General practitioners feel pissed off.

Even hoteliers who go through the booking lists and try to recognize by the postcode which guests are not allowed to arrive and which are allowed to doubt the sense and understanding of the new corona rules. Now that the number of new infections is high and the intensive care units are filling up again with Covid 19 sufferers, it is becoming clear that the credibility of the measures taken against the virus is always at stake.

Politics is contradicting itself: With drastic orders such as the ban on lodging, curfew or ban on celebrations, it reaps annoyed shaking of the head. But at the same time people are becoming more alert, putting on their masks again, avoiding crowds. Which is the right thing to do in the fight against the spread of the virus. The ban on accommodation with its sometimes absurd consequences can also be read as a kind of substitute act, it is the lesser evil compared to what could threaten again: the renewed complete lockdown, the closure of schools and daycare centers, hotels and restaurants.

Nobody wants a second month-long lockdown, it would be bad for children, parents, old people, the self-employed, those working in the arts, restaurants. Instead, in Germany you may have to decide to accept something else: that there is something that is difficult to control, that there are no certainties that you would like to have. As a note, without wanting to make a comparison: For millions of people in war zones, floodplains, in drought areas, an uncertainty, a threat, is part of the feeling of survival.

Perhaps in Corona Germany you now have to develop a virtue that is otherwise unpopular in the West: patience. The burdens are back, you have to endure it. It is the task of politics to develop preventive measures and compensatory measures. Small steps, improvisation, even trial and error – such as the ban on accommodation – belong to times when you can’t even get rid of a threat. As you can see from the second wave, getting rid of the world didn’t work out. But that with the patience, it should be possible.


Covid, Christmas at risk of lockdown. Businesses: “Better now”

A lockdown Christmas is likely to cost up to sixteen billion euros a week. For this reason, the government is now considering the possibility of introducing a lockout for Halloween in order to save December, a key month for the Italian economy. The world of business and commerce is pressing for even stricter restrictions to be put in place immediately to limit movements but without damaging fundamental production activities and only if the situation relating to infections from Covid-19 should it deteriorate further they appear willing to give in to a new one lockdown, but in October or at least in November. To quantify the weekly cost of a lockout was provided by the Confindustria Study Center which fixes it at 0.8 percentage points of GDP.

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«In recent months we have estimated a loss of GDP equal to 0.8 per cent for each week of national lockdown. However, it is not easy at this time to make accurate calculations on the cost of a possible Christmas lockout because we do not have a precise reference on the type of lockdown which will eventually be applied in the event of a very high contagion rate. However, we know that the intensity of the impact on GDP depends on the size and number of areas in which measures are introduced to contain the activities and movements of people, as well as on the share of territorial added value divided between industry and services “, they explain from the Association’s Study Center. The intensity of the impact on GDP of a lockdown, however, also affects the period in which it comes into force and that is why the weekly cost of a Christmas lockdown risks exceeding that recorded before the summer, to the point of being able to reach presumably the 16 billion euros, corresponding to one point of our gross domestic product.

For the vice president of Confindustria Maurizio Stirpe “we must act with caution, avoiding drastic solutions that would give the coup de grace to the timid signs of recovery”. «It is necessary to follow the evolution day by day – he tells the Messenger – by evaluating the daily needs, the situation of intensive care, the general data. And we must be careful not to suffocate the economy that has already suffered so much ».

But in viale dell’Astronomia they are obviously not the only ones who wish not to have to witness another large lockdown, which would have a devastating effect on a system already tried by the generalized closures of recent months and by the effects of the spread of the virus in others. Countries. Thus the general secretary of Confartigianato Cesare Fumagalli attacks: «The companies we represent, over 500 thousand, have suffered an average drop in turnover of 60 per cent during the first lockdown, but in the event of a Christmas lockdown the bar will rise further. For one in three, this will result in a knockout blow. A new stop to production activities must be avoided at all costs and, on the contrary, the other limitations capable of lowering the curve must be strengthened. Better a curfew, a solution chosen by Paris, than a new lockout ».

Confcommercio emphasizes instead that Christmas consumption remains central to Italian spending. Only in December, according to the Confcommercio Study Center, the total expenditure for consumption is worth about 110 billion euros out of an annual total of 900 billion: “Considering that in 2020 there will be a very significant loss of expenditure, equal to 116 billions of euros, which will also impact December, then next Christmas, also due to the large amount of forced savings accumulated by Italians during the lockdown, could represent an opportunity for millions of families to make desired and postponed purchases. If prudence prevails over fear, favorable surprises could be observed in conjunction with the upcoming holidays ».

For Mariano Bella, head of Confcommercio’s research office, there are 30 billion euros of additional consumption to be safeguarded in December. “These extra expenses, capable of giving an important relief to public finances thanks to the higher revenue that follows, derive mainly from the thirteenth and are strongly linked to the Christmas holidays. Today 10 percent of retail businesses, 270,000 businesses, are likely to close permanently, but in the event of a Christmas lockdown, the number of businesses in this situation is destined to grow, reaching at least 330,000. This is why we say no to a new lockout. We need restrictions that do not damage the activities to avoid once again transforming the health emergency into an economic emergency ».

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“For two days the index Rt in the Metropolitan City area of Milano has exceeded 2 and the trend is worrying. “This was stated by the mayor of Milan, Giuseppe Sala, at the end of the summit with the prefect Renato Saccone. The Rt index describes the rate of contagiousness after the application of measures to contain the spread of the disease. “From my point of view, to understand where to intervene, one should know where the infections arise”, said Sala, who excluded “radical interventions” and “restricted decisions beyond the Dpcm“in the immediate future: any closures will occur” only if the situation worsens.

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However, any decision is postponed to Friday, after a meeting between Municipality and Region. “The element to underline is that we are not in February and March, we are better prepared from all points of view including the awareness of the rapidity of the progression of the infection”, then specified the prefect of Milan, Renato Saccone. “We have extra strengths and we also know how dangerous evolution can be. The fundamental places of contagion are not those controlled but of a broad social context linked to youth population“, explained the prefect.


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What if the curve of the contagion keep on running? The Lazio Region does not exclude a lockdown bis, indeed. The councilor for health, Alessio D’Amato, agrees with the virologist Andrea Crisanti, the creator of the Veneto model: a new lockdown close to Christmas, for the councilor of Zingaretti, “is in the order of things, if the curve goes up again – he explains to the Messenger – they are reasoning of common sense. We hope that the squeeze on the masks, which began earlier in Lazio, on 2 October, will produce effects. We will find out within 14 days ». Also for the schools there could be consequences. The Regional Scholastic Office, which reports to the Ministry of Education, hypothesize that with an Rt index at 2 (today it is 1.2), distance learning could return for all high school students. Many teachers’ unions, such as Uil Scuola, also agree. “Any provision must in any case be taken by the Region and the health authorities in agreement with the ministry”, explains the director of the school office, Rocco Pinneri.

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For Alessio D’Amato, head of the Lazio Covid crisis unit, a new lockdown is possible. Crisanti, director of the Molecular Medicine department of the University of Padua, said yesterday that “close to Christmas is in the order of things.” And the Lazio health councilor agrees: «These are words of common sense. We must take note that the epidemic is running, even if in Rome we are defending ourselves. Unfortunately, the effects of the lockdown from March to May have worn off, also due to the irresponsibility of some. Think of those who, just a few days ago, insisted on opening the stadiums to 25% of capacity. Surreal controversies ». Everything will depend on the epidemiological curve of the next two weeks: “From here to 14 days – reasons D’Amato – we will see what effects the obligation to wear a mask also outdoors, an obligation that came into effect earlier in Lazio than the rest of the country. We will understand if the infections decrease, and in that case there will be no need for further measures, or if the oxen, to use a metaphor, have already left the stable ».

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It is the same approach that affects the school world. At the moment the infections from Covid-19 ascertained among the desks “are 400 and include both students and teachers and janitors”, explains the director of the regional school office. According to the former Provveditorato, the numbers are not yet alarming, “throughout Lazio we have 750 thousand students, plus 90 thousand teachers and auxiliary staff”. There is another comforting aspect: “The infections – says Pinneri – based on the tracing we have made, have always occurred outside the institutes”. The problem is precisely «the holidays, but also the way in which we arrive at school». There are 322 institutes in Rome and its province that have registered at least one case. The effects: classes in isolation, some offices have closed.

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Many schools are already implementing distance learning, in rotation. In September, in high school, we had started with an average of 15% of tele-lessons per school. Some schools have decided to unpack the classes: half in presence, half connected remotely. Others opted for shifts: one class at school one week, another at home and vice versa. The hypothesis of increasing the share of distance learning lessons finds very little support from managers. “We are opposed not to the tool itself but to the idea that it is necessary to use it only to make up for the shortcomings of public transport – attacks Mario Rusconi, head of the principals of Rome – We do not want to be the blame for those who have not been able to manage mobility. Even when there are agglomerations of young people outside pubs and clubs, the controls of the brigade disappear ”.

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