In medicine 2+2 is never equal to 4

—In Paraná, in this house (Villaguay, between Alsina and Gobernador Sola).

—What was the place like in your childhood?

—It was always very quiet, until today, compared to Córdoba, where I lived from the age of 18 until a few years ago.

-What did you play?

—I studied music and English, piano, recorder, violin and guitar since I was a girl, I went to the Mario Monti Polyphonic Choir, and from the age of 13 I dedicated myself to the traverse flute until I went to study in Córdoba, where I also got together with people to play. I am a neurotic obsessive of books and study (laughs). My daughter studies violin and she loves it.

“Was music your game?”

—Yes, because my mother, a doctor, also played the piano and gave concerts. We were in the same environment. She studied when she was a girl and played again when I was in high school.

—The activity of your father (Giraldo Motura)?

—In his first moment he was a field doctor and that is why he learned about alternative medicines, plants and what Nature gave him, because it was what was available to alleviate situations for which there was no access to technology and other resources. He got into herbal medicine, acupuncture and homeopathy, then incorporated Bach Flowers and used iris diagnosis. He had 22 clinics and went to each one one day during the month.

-Your mom?

“I was with him in everything. Both studied in Córdoba.

—How did medicine and art coexist in your house?

-My mother was dedicated to both things, she was attending, she finished with a patient, someone came to rehearse and played the piano, because she had it next to her (laughs). I was all over the city playing and rehearsing with people from the music school.

“Did you read a lot?”

—Not so much literature, although it was from the school, which went deeper. In my family they read a lot of literature, there are two huge libraries because both my father and my mother were great readers and from a highly cultured generation. I would have liked to get more into literature.

“A relevant book?”

The gift of healing, I read the 15 years, just like I read a lot about the theory of reincarnation.

—What caught your attention in that book considering that your family was dedicated to that?

—That it brought the steps to make a regression, which I did, changed my life and values, and over the years I verified that it was real. I found it among my mother’s books, who had many of Rudolf Steiner, from which I became interested in the Waldorf method (of pedagogy). I also love psychoanalysis and psychotherapy because the patient needs an answer; psychiatry is one of my greatest frustrations, although I don’t like the medication part, which is what is done the most. I have been doing therapy for many years.

“Favorite subjects?”

—I was obsessed with everything, although I didn’t like History that much. Mathematics, which I thought about continuing my career, I liked very much, as well as Physics and Chemistry. That’s why I first did Pharmacy, which was difficult and challenging. When I was in third year, for Anatomy and Physiology, I realized that I liked Medicine, which I started when I finished Pharmacy, together with my younger sister.

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University, plants and do no harm

—In Pharmacy did you find something irreconcilable with respect to naturopathic and homeopathic medicine?

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—No, because both in Córdoba and in the University of Buenos Aires, with Dr. (Jorge) Alonso, there is a lot of research on plants, and a chair called Pharmacognosy, which is its chemical study. In the academic environment, the commercial issue and the laboratories are not so noticeable, and plants are studied a lot. The question of the industry is when you leave the race. I noticed that there were many discrepancies, but over time you realize that everything that (Christian) Hahnemann (inventor of homeopathy, 1755-1843) said, is accepted by official medicine today. There were things that my father said that official medicine did not accept, and over the years they were accepted. They are paths that join. In homeopathy there are issues that still have no explanation, which are sometimes to be believed or exploded, and will be discovered later. If I had to understand how my head works, I wouldn’t be able to get up every morning, because there are many things that I don’t know, but they work and I enjoy them.

—What are the limits of both approaches?

“Both can be used up to a certain limit and are good. There are cases in which there is no other option but to use the official one, but there are many others in which the alternative can be applied and it is possible to prevent reaching the official one. If there is an infection, there is no other option but to give antibiotics because you can do an asepsis and die. You have to do what is convenient for the patient at that time and they are all tools, beyond the fact that homeopathy is a philosophy that guides treatment that is very different from what is official. Phytomedicine uses plants in their entirety, which prevents adverse effects of the drug that was extracted from the plant, and ultimately official medicine was born from that. What was discovered a few years ago and is revolutionary is that homeopathy works perfectly even if you are with a conventional treatment, when before it was said that it did not, but I always did. Homeopathy prevents the patient from falling into the same situation again. There are situations without answers from official medicine and the alternatives have them.

—Did you deal with questions like those originally received by your father?

-I always moved in environments that speak the same language and it is a huge move, as in the case of homeopathy in Córdoba, with two great schools. I never had any problems.

“Important trainers?”

-A lots of. Dr. Beatriz Iturbe, a great teacher; Ana Brane, a pharmacist who helped me when I started the pharmacy, and Dr. Humberto Avesani, former director of the Argentine Homeopathic Society in Córdoba.

—Great medical teachings from your parents?

—The one to focus on healing without harming, as Hippocrates said, is the most important thing and I have it very clear. Although it is not the same effect as an official medicine drug, if relief is achieved, welcome. Sometimes you have to reduce the dose of what you are taking from the official medicine, and that is what is being done a lot now, that is, masterful preparations that have a minimum dose of the medicine from the official medicine and plants. We’ve always done it, now it’s fashionable in Buenos Aires and it’s good because it greatly reduces adverse effects, beyond the fact that the ideal, for example, is to lower cholesterol with an alternative treatment, due to the toxicity of the drugs. Or when taking painkillers.

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—What did you talk with them after receiving you?

—Mom had a very good memory and when she stopped caring for many patients they came with me, so she would tell me their clinical histories, remembered in detail without having written them down. In homeopathy you have to know the whole environment and the life of the person. My dad is more of the pluralist current and complex prescription, and I of unicist homeopathy, that is, looking for what constitutes the patient in the psychological and organic part, that’s why I also like psychoanalysis. They are models.

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amazing plants

—What discoveries has homeopathy made in recent years?

—Many small medicines appeared that do not consider the integrality of the individual, beyond the polychrests, the classic medicines, more studied and that respond according to the organic and psychological personalities.

—Does any plant surprise you because of new properties found?

—The Graviola, because I see that every day it works better in cancer cases and it’s like a natural chemo. Also Hypericum or St. John’s Wort, a natural antidepressant, which I have been taking for years. It is often underestimated but it helps many people, although it is necessary to see the cases with hypertension.

—One that catches your attention because of its operation?

—They always surprise me, adaptogens continue to be studied and added to the list, the best known being Ginseng, Siberian Ginseng, Withania somnifera and Astragalus, which make the person adapt to the circumstances of life, because They generate natural corticosteroids and prevent stress-related diseases. They are also used in cases of cancer. I take them.

“A turning point with a case?”

—Every day one thinks one thing and the patient responds with another, because medicine is never two plus two equals four, that’s why I have all my patients on Whatsapp so they can tell me how they are doing, and according to that I continue the consultation and modify what needs to be changed. It has happened to me with prognoses, especially cancer, that gave little life to people who ended up burying doctors.

-For example?

“Two girls who are alive and well. One of them is a cloistered nun, with advanced ovarian cancer. And the other with multiple myeloma, in which I had no faith, I sent her to see the hematologist but she didn’t give me any advice and continued with the alternative treatment.

—What do you say to those who think that homeopathy is a fallacy?

—There is a Nobel Prize winner who explained the memory of the solvent, which is how homeopathy works. When I studied, the thing about diluting and diluting made me noisy, because you reach a point where there is no material but only solvent, which I have done in the pharmacy. But that Nobel explains that in the solvent there was a substance that changes its constitution at the atomic and molecular level. Tests were also carried out with amoebas and other very involuted beings, in which the reactions can be seen. It’s believe or die, I’ve seen it since I was a little girl and I observe how patients respond, also in boys, although I don’t treat children.

“The thing about the Covid-19 was intentional.”

Dr. Motura denied that SARS-CoV-2 was the result of a random mutation but rather that it corresponded to an intentional biological warfare decision. “You always have to kill people to reduce the world population,” said the professor at the Faculty of Life and Health Sciences.

—What did you reflect on after the first days of the supposed pandemic?

—According to data that came to me from people in the upper echelons of science, it was a biological war, not that something randomly mutated. The virus thing was something intentional as part of other measures to reduce the world population and since it was not enough now a war was created in Ukraine. You always have to kill people. There is also a generation, the millennials, who do not want to have children.

—And from the specific medical point of view?

—Everything was very strange, from the diagnostic method used. How could someone be Covid positive and the family not, if it was so contagious.

—How did you treat your patients with alleged Covid?

—I used Echinacea, Cat’s Claw, Lapacho, sprays with Eucalyptus and other plants that did well with H1 N1 (swine flu) and hid themselves. Dr. Alonso, president of the Latin American Society of Phytomedicine, had his Facebook account blocked for posting about the use of Echinacea, Sauco and other plants. My patients were people who did not want to do the swabbing because they did not share what was proposed. I never really knew if it was Covid, although they had the symptoms and, some, loss of smell. They went through it without any problem and I was not in contact with anyone who had died from Covid, just as I did not see anyone with respiratory sequelae. In my case, it was the only two years in my life that I didn’t get the flu and I was in contact with many people who supposedly had it. I didn’t give it much importance either, although I was afraid for my mother, because she was a risk group. There are many people who detonated from the psychological and to this day I see the worsening of neuroses.

—Other consequences of confinement?

—Many people who did not undergo controls and therefore had heart attacks, or died for fear of being hospitalized. A very young girl died of pancreatitis, for fear of being seen in the hospital.

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—To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?

—The decision is up to each one, so that the patient is calmer.

—What do you think of those that use the RNA system?

—I don’t know what to say… because they are new technologies and it is not well known how they work. I would have more respect for them than for those that use dead virus or an antigen.

“Recommendations for the winter?”

—To prevent colds and flu, consume certain plants such as Echinacea for three weeks and rest one, for two or three months. And Propolis, which acts before the virus enters the cell.



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